Saturday, August 09, 2008

No takebacks



You know the saying: never mind 'no take backs' but tonight, at FICS, a rigorous if not very, very advanced and most severely underated opponent asked for a takeback in an already demonstrably lost position after an honest and long fight, and without further ado, took me all of twelve or fifteen seconds, went into BabaChess and entered him into 'no-play'. Somehow you are advanced but when you slip you wish to deny it? NO. What I am suppost to do, somehow give up my struggle and give YOU a chance to win when you are trying to kill me?? NO.

When I slip badly, more often that not, I just simply resign. This is not a chess problem but a real overall lack of integrity problem. At ICC and FICS I have not asked for single takeback in 4,000 games in 2.5 years. Why is this so hard for some?



I for mine am inordinately proud of my 35.5% win to total game ratio. When I can add another loss, and quickly, I know that I am getting the appropriate punishement and surely becoming a better chess player. If only I could enter the Noosphere and have an even more respetible ratio of 29.99% I would only be so happy, so glad!

As we used to say in Zen and/or Martial Arts: "Thank you for teaching me"

20 Comments:

Blogger Glenn Wilson said...

Yes, absolutely, positively no takebacks in rated games. Mouseslip? Move slower if you must to not slip.....

Glenn (NoTB at FICS). :)

Sat Aug 09, 06:23:00 AM PDT  
Blogger likesforests said...

I say it clearly in my profile, 3: * No takebacks asked or granted. It's actually very rare that someone asks me for one anymore.

It's a credit to my Dad's integrity that, playing a nearly hopeless match-up against me, he did not once ask for a 'takeback' or 'redo'.

Sat Aug 09, 08:57:00 AM PDT  
Blogger transformation said...

@community of readers, if i had voice recognition to put in my posts, i could post at my old rate and then some. BTW, i added a nice video called "Best Ever Formula1 Race Ever" (F1/Auto)

@Glenn: the thing is, most of these guys who ask would never grant one. they want to kill you, but if you ask not to be killed, they show no mercy. good to see you.

@likeForests: agreed. it is not common. in fact, better players just resign. its infuriating when someone plays one with two pieces versus four or five. never mind the near impossibility of not lossing, but a genuine waste of quality chess time. which takes me back to my ratio. every loss in excess on the margin takes me closer to 29.99%!

good luck in your next ratings push. dk

Sat Aug 09, 11:46:00 AM PDT  
Blogger wormwood said...

on fics, to set your notakeback variable to 'true', write in the console:

set notakeback 1

problem solved. :)

Sat Aug 09, 08:11:00 PM PDT  
Blogger tanc(happyhippo) said...

Hello dk,

Speaking of takebacks, whenever I play with my brother-in-law in social blitz games, we sometimes allow each other blitz games. That's because we miss simple tactics that both of us know we would never commit in tournament play. It also gives us practice in our own repertoires.

However, these days, I log anonymously into FICS because time and again, I get asked for takebacks. Whenever I see such requests, I just simply resign as I think it's an insult to even suggest it. Sometimes, my fingers slipped and disaster usually follows at which point, I resign, mainly because it was my fault that the game went south.

Asking for takebacks on the internet is not as bad. In one competition, I had one opponent who did a takeback (after hitting the clock, then reversing and pretending it didn't happen when asked by the arbiter after I complained) over the board.

Some people.... :)

Sat Aug 09, 09:22:00 PM PDT  
Blogger Temposchlucker said...

The terms "rated game" and "takeback" are mutually exclusive. In a rated OTB game it is against the rules. So it should be on the internet. Without further ado I stop the game and put them on the no-play list. The same for those who disconnect in a lost position.

Sun Aug 10, 12:40:00 AM PDT  
Anonymous reassembler.com said...

Agree w/ all here. You mouseslip, you resign, you set them up and you GET TO START ALL OVER!

Regarding playing on in lost positions in order to try to win on time: I don't consider it unethical, illegal, etc. I just don't understand why it's fun. It's gratifying somehow? As you say, DK, why waste chess time?

Sun Aug 10, 07:06:00 PM PDT  
Blogger RT Solo said...

"when I can add another loss...I know that I am getting the appropriate punishment. If only I could...have a more respectable ratio of 29.99% (down from 35.5%)I would be so happy"

What is the word I'm looking for...sadist, or masochist? I get the two confused. LOL

I too have never asked for a takeback, and never will. I think it isn't true to the nature of the game. So I agree with you. Furthermore, I would also put a "take backer" on my no-play list...BUT, if the button is there, it must be there for a reason...right?

So even though take-backs don't have a place in my chess world, they must have a place in someone's.

Sun Aug 10, 07:29:00 PM PDT  
Blogger transformation said...

@wormwood: somehow, from extensive time at ICC also, thought BOTH persons had to have this set up. this also limits significantly the amount of players available, late when i play 3 to 5 am pst or 11 am to 1 pm BST, 12/2 CST....

@tempo &
@tanc &
@reAssembler, thanks for coming by! always a joy to me.

@RT Solo, not masocist or sadist but 'Deeply Committed' to my craft!

@to all kind readers, 'The new DK Version 8.2' post has been writen, and soon will be posted. stay tuned. lots of new blood pumping here, and this is but the prelude. a matter of long reflection.... warmest, dk

Sun Aug 10, 10:25:00 PM PDT  
OpenID liquideggproduct said...

Why do people takeback?

Pride.

Incidentally, it should be noted very few people make a living from their FICS rating to resort to such desperation.

Mon Aug 11, 10:34:00 AM PDT  
Blogger Tommyg said...

Takebacks are one of the many reasons I have become less and less enamored with internet chess. I was flabbergasted the first time someone asked me for a takeback on the ICC!! I was so shocked I granted it and then felt icky the rest of the game. Now I just ignore the request and finish the game.

I also prefer to play ICC games where both parties agree that a loss of connection will be count as a loss of the game.

Again, I am playing less and less on the ICC but that is another story....

Have a great day!

Tommyg

Mon Aug 11, 10:22:00 PM PDT  
Blogger Polly said...

I think take backs are totally bogus. If one is going to play on the internet learn to use the mouse correctly. I have sometimes dropped a piece on the wrong square because of how I was handling the mouse. Even in over the board play one can let go of a piece to quickly. You don't get take backs there either. If I make one of those electroic "finger fahlers" with my mouse and it costs me the game. So be it.

I haven't played enough internet chess to ever have anyone ask me. Then again maybe because I'm always hanging so much stuff, my opponent sees no need to ask. LOL

Tue Aug 12, 01:14:00 PM PDT  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMENy3JamU8

Sat Aug 16, 03:45:00 AM PDT  
Anonymous gambiitti said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMENy3JamU8

Sat Aug 16, 03:46:00 AM PDT  
Anonymous gambi said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f52E_7kAttA

finns aren't that loud always, you gotta raise your voice sometimes :D

Sat Aug 16, 03:53:00 AM PDT  
Anonymous gambiitti said...

a classic ice hockey goal, 2 seconds left on clock, announced by mertaranta:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuI3sXPG0gc

Sat Aug 16, 04:07:00 AM PDT  
Anonymous g said...

oh btw don't publish my comments, they are just for your personal amusement :)

Sat Aug 16, 10:51:00 AM PDT  
Blogger chess addict said...

Hi! I have already added you in my blog roll. I hope you will add me too. Thank you so much.

Sun Aug 17, 03:17:00 AM PDT  
Blogger likesforests said...

Hey amigo! Hope you're having a great long weekend... lots of time to study middlegame positions, or play chess, or run. :)

Sat Aug 30, 05:24:00 PM PDT  
Blogger transformation said...

@likeForests: thank you for stopping by... to give you some idea HOW busy ive been, i wrote a significant post on 10 August and hadnt had the chance to go back, revise it, edit it, add photos, and still have yet to! what is it about? being super busy and what that is for me:

besides a deep commitment to nutrition and two+ hours a day on chessBase every day, sometimes three, i am trading financial markets with aplomb.

263% in my cash account in ten business days. this is not a typo. i shorted the Nasdaq four times, and gained each time. about 35%+ in my roth IRA. do i really care about the money? shit no, to use chessLoser language, per tempos post yesterday on cussing.

so, i will post here soon, i will!

i worked all weekend, and curse the day i took a retail job, at once the greatest martial arts training a business man can get when done sustained and as art, not as some course, demeaning thing, so a GREAT TEACHING but does seperate us from the rest of the world, in terms of schedules, to say the least.

thank you for your visit. love to everyone and best of luck in your 1700 quest, at least...

one reason i am delayed in my own uscf is that i too want to start big and solid and elevated, but sometimes you have to pay with your own flesh. :)

dk

Sun Aug 31, 10:39:00 PM PDT  

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